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Episode 117- Vitex – Amazing benefits for Guys and Girls!

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Ep 117 – Prodcast – Vitex:  Amazing Benefits for Guys & Girls.

Introduction:

In today’s Product Podcast Matt and I discuss the latest research on Vitex and its role in Acne, Luteinising Hormone, Insulin, and of course Estrogen.

 

FAQs:

Vegan Diet – Clarification on recommended Nutrients for Iron – [00:38:33]

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Ankylosing Spondylitis – [01:19:24]

Muscle Imbalances & Angiolipomas (Fatty Cyst deposit) – [01:27:45]

 

 

Disclaimer:

 

**This information is not designed to diagnose, treat, prevent, or cure any condition and is for information purposes only.  Please discuss any information in this podcast with your health care professional before making any changes to your current lifestyle**

 

 

Matt:
G’day.

Jeff:
Matt, we dumped Steve.

Matt:
Oh?

Jeff:
People were getting concerned that he was usurping your authority – did you like that word?

Matt:
Yeah, I did.  What’s it mean?

Jeff:
It means that he was undermining you, taking control and booting you out.

(laughing)

Matt:
Has anyone met Stevo?

Jeff:
He’s so funny, I loved meeting Steve.  On the way to work is like, “Hi Steve, how are you going?” and it’s like, “G’day, Jeff and Toni, how you going?”

Matt:
“It’s going to be the greatest day ever!”

Jeff:
Oh, he’s just infectious in terms of his personality, and such a nice guy as well.  We’ve released a promo video where he’s sitting there, and if anyone’s going to hug it’s going to be Steve, and sure enough, he’s there hugging one of the audience members.

Matt:
Yeah.

Jeff:
He’s a great guy.  So, for the couple of questions that came in, no he’s not usurping Matt’s authority, because we’ve done a couple of Podcasts now without you.

Matt:
No, I asked him to come in and help.

Jeff:
So, no Steve today, which is a shame because we’ve got a good dynamic going.  But, Matt, we’ve done a hundred odd Podcasts without him so I’m sure we’ll be able to survive.

Matt:
We’ll be right.

Jeff:
Mate, today we’re talking about Vitex – more than meets the eye.  What are we saying, Vitex is –

Matt:
It’s way better than we thought it was.

Jeff:
Way better than we thought, that’s it.  I have a limited understanding of Herbs because I come from a very lay point of view, so I have a base understanding, but, a basic knowledge of things can sometimes get you into trouble because you’ve built up a lot of assumptions and sometimes you’re not open to learning new information.  Although, mind you, when you and Steve are around I’m always like, “Throw that out the door, tell me what’s going on.”

Vitex is typically understood as more of a female Herb than anything, and we do have it in our product ALPHA VENUS, which, Matt, you changed the formulation a while back, Matt, because a lot of people were concerned with the ALPHA PRIME, which was the old ALPHA VENUS because it contained Tongkat Ali?

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Matt:
Yeah.  The original one had Tongkat Ali which frees up a lot of bound Testosterone.

Jeff:
That’s a cool Herb, and really powerful.

Matt:
That was designed to increase Testosterone activity in females who want to get more dry hardness in their Muscles preparing for a competition, or getting ready for a sporting event.  The downside with that, for people who were susceptible to Acne or Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome, Tongkat Ali can aggravate that.  So, there was a large section of the population that didn’t have a solution to their particular problem, and that’s why we made a separate product, we’ve kept the Tongkat Ali in the PRIME, and now we’ve added the Vitex into the ALPHA VENUS.

Jeff:
Just quickly, what were the reasons, originally, why you added the Vitex, and why should women want to use it, and should men use it?

Matt:
Vitex is a weird Herb, because when you’re at uni learning about all these Herbs, and some of them, “Oh, it’s generally good for you.  It’s a good Tonic, you can take as much as you like,” or whatever.  With Vitex, it was as if the lecturer was always scared of it, they’d always say, “It’s so powerful.”  It had all these rules around it, “You can’t do it this way, you can’t do it that way.  These blokes can’t use it.  There’s an old wives’ tale around monks, so don’t touch it.”

Jeff:
What are the other names it’s known by; Monk’s Berry is it?

Matt:
Yeah, Monk Berry because they used to believe it suppressed the libido.  Monks used to consume it to keep their libido low.

Jeff:
Chaste Berry is another one?

Matt:
Yeah, that’s it’s another name.  It’s a Chaste tree, and it’s the berry from the Chaste tree.

Jeff:
So, if you take that it cuts down your sexual drive?

Matt:
But, it doesn’t, it actually increases it and improves your performance.  So, that might have just been, I don’t know, a red herring.

(laughs)

Jeff:
Mm.

Matt:
But, when we used to learn about it, like I was saying, it had all these weird rules about it where you had to get the dosage exactly right, you had to take it at the right time of day, you had all these rules when you couldn’t use it, and all these diseases you can’t use it with.  But, no one really understood how it worked or how well it works.

Now we’ve got the technology to know exactly the mechanism of action, and now they’ve compared it to a lot of drugs with similar actions and found it to be just as effective without any of the side effects.  It shows why they were so nervous about it because it is such a powerful Herb, but now we understand what it does we know so much better how to use it, and it opens up opportunities to treat other things we never thought possible.

Jeff:
So, Matt, when you started looking at the ALPHA PRIME and the ALPHA VENUS and changing things around, what were the major reasons you added the Vitex?

Matt:
What we realised is, with our particular company and the supplements we make, we talk a lot about body composition, and one of the main handbrakes to changing your body shape is if you have Estrogen Dominance.

So, in everyone who has Estrogen Dominance has exaggerated Estrogen activity.  The thing that offsets that Estrogen is our Androgens, so your ratios between your Androgen and your Estrogen is very important.  The Androgens we talk about mainly, are Testosterone, DHEA, and Progesterone.

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So, with the Tongkat Ali, it increases the Testosterone and DHEA activity, but Vitex increases the Androgen known as Progesterone, and Progesterone can offset the Estrogen excess.  So, whenever we do an Estrogen Dominant Protocol we’re trying to clear away the extra Estrogen after it’s done its job so it’s not loitering around holding Fat and Fluid.  Then, what we’re trying to do is offset that Estrogen by increasing our Androgens, and that way you’ll get a quick change in your ratios between your Hormones, and then you can get a quick change in your body shape, much faster than if you just focused on one of those targets.

What we found is, with Estrogen Dominance, you get a lot of Fluid retention, you hold Fat and Fluid around your Waist, your Bum, Glutes, Hammies, backs of the Arms, lower Back, lower Abs.  And, those symptoms are pretty obvious.  And, then we have to work out whether you have an Androgen deficiency of Testosterone or Progesterone.

The way to know if you’ve got a Progesterone deficiency, and for females it’s so easy, and this is why they always talk about Vitex as a female Herb.  We will talk about men towards the end and show how it works for them, but keep this in mind, just forgetting about the Menstrual Cycle bit, but the Hormones are the same.

So, in the first half of the Menstrual Cycle in women it’s mainly Estrogen, so you get two weeks of Estrogen, and what that two weeks of Estrogen is supposed to do is change the Breast tissue, plump it up with fluid and that, it’s supposed to build the Endometrial Tissues so it builds the Period, it makes the Blood.  Also, what it does is it holds a certain amount of Fat and Fluid and starts changing the body.

Around Ovulation, what’s supposed to happen is we’re supposed to have a Progesterone surge, and the Progesterone says, “Okay Estrogen, stop doing all the building.”  If you look at Estrogen it does all the building, it’s proliferative so it makes all the changes to the tissue.  Progesterone comes in and basically says, “Just wait.  Hold everything there for the next couple of weeks and we’ll see if we get a fertilised egg.”

What happens is, if you’re not getting any Progesterone activity you can’t hold that Period in, so you spend two weeks making a Period and then you’re supposed to get a Progesterone surge, but if you don’t get it you can get spotting around Ovulation.  So, women can either have a bleed when they should be Ovulating, or start spotting as part of their Menstrual Cycle or start getting symptoms that they’ve still got too much Estrogen.  So, right around Ovulation they get Premenstrual like symptoms like Breast tenderness and all that sort of stuff.  But, classically, they can’t hold their Blood in, so they’ll get spotting or something like that if they’re not making a Progesterone surge.

Then, you have to remember, the next two weeks what’s supposed to happen is Estrogen is supposed to drop off.

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It’s not supposed to be changing boob tissue anymore, you’re not supposed to be making any more Blood, you’re not supposed to be holding anymore Fluid, you’re just supposed to maintain that.  If you don’t have the Progesterone instead of getting two weeks Estrogen and two weeks Progesterone you get four weeks of Estrogen changes, so the women get four weeks of Breast changes, and then the next thing, coming in to the last 10 days of their Menstrual Cycle they’ll get lumpy, swollen, sore Breasts, a lot of tenderness, and irritation.  They would have spent instead of two weeks making Endometrial Tissue they spend four weeks, so they make lots of Blood and that Blood gets lots of clotting and that’s why they get a lot of painful Periods.

Also, Estrogen dilates Blood Vessels to the Head, so they can be predisposed to Migraines, it can cause Insulin Resistance issues which can predispose them to Sugar cravings.  Which is why, a lack of Progesterone, in that second half of the Cycle, whether you’ve got Estrogen Dominance or not, you get exposure to too much Estrogen in relation to Progesterone.  So, most Premenstrual dramas, most Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder, Tension, Premenstrual Syndrome, whatever you want to call it, it’s associated with an imbalance between your Estrogen and Progesterone.

They’ve done a lot of studies on Vitex in that aspect, and they’ve shown that Vitex can work better than most of the drugs for treating Premenstrual Syndrome, including Antidepressants and that for the Dysphoric Disorder, and it has none of the side effects.

Jeff:
I’ve become a bit of an expert on Periods, Matt, being married to a woman.  There are two things that I’ve learnt about when the Period is about; there are two sure things that work:  one is, “Yes dear,” and the other one is to throw chocolate and run.  But, seriously, the number of women who have written in to us saying that the side effects of their Period seem to be so diminished – and in fact, Toni’s sister, and I think I’ve mentioned this before, her side effects of Pain, the Headaches, the Cramps and that sort of stuff that came with it, almost completely disappeared to the point where her Period, as she said, “snuck up on her”, in other words she didn’t know it was coming, she had forgotten.

Matt:
That’s how it should be.  I’m so glad you mentioned that, because man, something I used to notice in my Naturopath Clinic all the time was, I would go through and ask the women, “Do you have some Premenstrual problems?” and they’d go, “No, no.”

Jeff:
“My husband does!”

(laughing)

Matt:
Yeah.  I wouldn’t argue but I’d say, “I’ll just run through the symptoms.  Do you get any of this going on?” “Oh yeah, I get crazy Pain,” “Oh yeah, the Breasts, I can’t touch them for 10 days,” “Oh, Migraines every month,” “Oh yeah, of course I get moody and that sort of stuff, my husband is an idiot.”  They were the sorts of things they would say, and then I would say, “But you told me you had no problems,” “Oh, that’s normal,” but that’s what women do.

Jeff:
That’s what’s supposed to come.  But, guess what, it’s not.

Matt:
No, that’s common, but it’s not normal, it’s not ideal, but this is a common pattern.  So, what we found is, Estrogenic, Xenoestrogens, Estrogen-like compounds, they’re coming from everywhere, so we’re getting more and more Estrogen activity, and then we get into a vicious cycle where Fat itself can make Estrogen.  So, if you let your body composition get far enough out of whack you can be creating your own Estrogen Dominance just through the body Fat.

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But, this Estrogen is coming from the environment, and into the future it’s just going to continually get worse.

Jeff:
Well, one of Toni’s friends at 10 years old got her Period.  Unbelievable!

Matt:
Yeah.  Oh mate, it’s common at girls as young as eight.  And, the Breast development now that’s happening in the youngest children as well is quite scary, because they’re ‘Estrogenising’ – I don’t know if that’s a word – but, they’re getting very Estrogenic very early, and Estrogen is very proliferative, it’s the one that creates all the problems, really.

So, if you take into consideration that the environment and everything in our world is becoming more and more Estrogen Dominant – I’ll just tell you some of the things that cause the problem with Progesterone:  if you’ve got Blood Sugar problems and you’re not Ovulating effectively, or if you’ve got Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome or anything like that, Stress, Inflammation, Toxic exposure, X-training, you know, gym training, and extremes of Dieting, what happens is it can actually create a surge of Prolactin.

Prolactin is a chemical associated typically with Lactation and Breastfeeding and stuff, but it’s a chemical that’s released in response to Stress and Inflammation and imbalances with Blood Sugar, it will tell you, “Reproduction is probably not the best thing to do right now.”  Progesterone gets its name from Pro Gestation, that’s the one that actually stimulates it.  What happens is, when you get a surge of Prolactin in response to Stress, Inflammation, Training, Dietary changes, that actually blocks Luteinising Hormone, which is the second half of your Cycle, that’s called the Luteal Phase, so Prolactin will basically stop you from having a second half of the Cycle, so you can’t hold an egg in there and wait for fertility, it would rather you just have a Period and let it go.

So, when we combine the fact that the environment in our world is becoming so Estrogenic and we’re also exposed to Stress, Inflammation, that sort of stuff that’s causing Prolactin issues, that’s why we get the low Progesterone and the higher Estrogen.  It’s so common.

The way Vitex actually works – and this is the coolest thing about it, and this is so well proven now – Vitex increases Dopamine activity.  Now, Dopamine does Self-esteem, Pride, Reward, Self-worth, Self-confidence and that sort of stuff.  Then, what Dopamine also does it inhibits a compound called Prolactin.  There’s a drug called Bromocriptine which does that, but Vitex has been shown to work just as effectively as the drug at inhibiting Prolactin without the side effects that drug has.  So, it’s very powerful at releasing Dopamine, and Dopamine Blocks Prolactin.  And, when you block Prolactin the Luteinising Hormone can surge properly and then the Progesterone is made.  Then you get this really nice surge of Progesterone that comes in the second half of the Cycle which can offset that Estrogen Dominance.

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So, if you’ve got normal Estrogen the Progesterone will override it and then all of those Menstrual symptoms that you were experiencing, Jeff, will disappear.

Jeff:
That sounds like good news, Matt.  Actually, I do remember when a lot of people were beginning to take the Vitex, the new one, we had a lot of people writing in saying that they were having Headaches and things.  Do you remember that?

Matt:
Yeah.  That’s a Dopamine effect.  When you get a massive surge of Dopamine you can actually get a little bit dizzy, and some people can get a bit of a Headache from it, it can make you feel a little bit weird until your body gets used to it.  Because, the way Vitex works is it activates Dopamine Receptors and it does that really quickly.  So, all of a sudden, you can go from no Dopamine to a nice surge and you can get a little bit dizzy and sometimes a bit of Migraine and sometimes even a bit Nauseous.

Jeff:
Yeah, we did have a few people saying they were getting sick and they were really concerned, “Oh no, this is not as good as the old one.”

Matt:
In a couple of days, though, it will be gone.

Jeff:
That’s what happened.  We said maybe to even reduce the dose if it’s quite severe and then they should be okay within a week or so, and everybody came back and said, “Yeah fine, all good.”

Matt:
Also, the dose we use for Vitex is about 500 mg a day up to 1000 mg a day.  You don’t need any more than that.  In fact, a lot of these studies are showing in the drugs they’re even lower doses than that again, they’re using like 25 mg for the 10:1 extract, so it’s a 250 mg does, and they’re doing that once daily and it’s having these big powerful Dopamine effects.

So, 4 capsules of the ALPHA VENUS will give you 1000 mg of Vitex.

Jeff:
So, we can say that ATP Science customers are happy customers.

(laughs)

Matt:
That’s right.  And, I’ll tell you what’s quite funny about it; you would have seen this big trend around the world about Nootropics.

Jeff:
Yes.

Matt:
The whole concept of Nootropics is to have these legal highs, mental clarity like you wouldn’t believe, and they all work on Dopamine activity.  Basically, the concept of Nootropics is a big surge of Dopamine and you’re going to feel wired and amazing and energetic arousal without the anxiety you get from Adrenaline.

Vitex is the most potent Dopaminergic herbal product on earth.  When you have Vitex, you get a massive surge of Dopamine, but it doesn’t make you feel like you’re on Cocaine.  That’s the weird thing about a lot of these Nootropics, they’re nowhere near as powerful as Vitex with regards to Dopaminergic activity, they just don’t give you that really crazy big buzz.  It’s quite a weird thing.

Vitex has also been shown to regulate a lot of the Brain chemistry, they’ve even compared it to Fluoxetine, which I think is Prozac, and shown it has the same Antidepressant effect as that without any of the side effects, and it did it through a totally different mechanism which doesn’t involve interactions.

Jeff:
Wow!

Matt:
So, it’s actually a very, very powerful Herb.

Jeff:
Is there much study, Matt, on Vitex for people with Depression?  And again, this is s a sensitive topic.

Matt:
No, because the focus has always been revolving around the Prolactin and the Hormones.  There is but there isn’t.  They talk about it as symptoms of Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder or Menopause, so all the studies show it fixes Depression and Anxiety in relation to a Hormonal imbalance, so Menopause and PMT.

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But, if you really think about those people that are suffering from Depression they might even find a pattern with their Menstrual Cycle, that it might not necessarily be a classical Depression – I don’t know what a classical Depression is.

Jeff:
Again, I’m always very, very aware that if you are listening to this and you are suffering from Depression please go and seek help.  It’s one of those things, Matt, it’s a very, very sensitive subject and you have to work with your healthcare professionals on that.  But, it would be interesting to see more studies on that coming forward in the future, it would be fantastic.

Matt:
Yeah, absolutely.  What they are doing a heap of research on with it is Cancers and that sort of stuff, because they’re finding another thing that Vitex does is it inhibits a process known as Angiogenesis, which is the generation of new Blood Vessels to Cancer, and it stops Cancer.  But, Angiogenesis is also an important part in the swelling of Ovarian Cysts, and Vitex, again, by starving that cyst of blood supply and that it can reduce swelling.

Jeff:
So, could it be used for PCOS and things like that?

Matt:
Oh yeah, it’s shown to be effective in PCOS.  That was one of the other things that people were concerned about, when their Naturopath found that Vitex was in the product they would say, “You can’t use that in PCOS,” I think one of them said it makes cysts rupture, but that’s a load of rubbish.  We went and research it all and all the studies showed using Vitex with PCOS made significant improvement, it actually should be recommended.

And, Acne was another interesting one.  What happens, Vitex is indicated for those with Acne.  So, if someone’s got Acne based on Testosterone or Dihydrotestosterone as part of an Insulin Resistance Syndrome Vitex can fix that.  But, some people who take Vitex their Acne gets worse, because there is a way that if their Progesterone gets high enough their body will convert Progesterone through to Dihydrotestosterone and that will aggravate Acne.  So, if you’re on of those people who takes Vitex to fix you Acne and it gets worse, or if you’re one of the people who didn’t have Acne and suddenly you get it you need to use 5-Alphareductase inhibitors, so things like Zinc, Selenium, Saw Palmetto – buy a Prostate formula, basically, a Prostate formula somewhere will be Saw Palmetto, Zinc, Palmetto, and that will  fix your skin by blocking the conversion of Progesterone through to Dihydrotestosterone.

Jeff:
Wow!  Matt, you knew most of these things, didn’t you?  This is all stuff that you’d already worked out?

Matt:
Yeah.  What I didn’t realise was just how effective it was – I knew it had a Dopaminergic effect to lower the Prolactin, but I did not know that the Dopaminergic effect was equivalent to the Parkinson’s-like drugs, and I didn’t know the Prolactin lowering effect was equivalent to the Prolactin lowering drugs, and I didn’t know it’s Antidepressant mood stabilising effect was equivalent to the Antidepressant drugs, and all of those studies showed no side effects.

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All those studies were using about 250 to 1000 mg of Vitex per day, which is a nice easy dose, it’s right in amongst where we’re at, I think it’s excellent.  That way you can definitely get massive changes into the Brain chemistry and it can happen pretty much straight away, meaning you’re not having to rebuild – when you get an agent that works on Receptor activation or gives a Dopaminergic effect you get a much faster result that something that’s got to go through and rebuild a whole system, it just goes through and fills in the gap and forces things to change.

The other thing that I was excited about, because when I had these questions about the PCOS, we had a really good look into it and there were studies showing that it corrects PCOS, so that’s handy, that made us feel more confident.  But, there are also a lot of studies showing that it improves Insulin Sensitivity, it improves the ability to get Glucose into your Muscles, it improves the health of the Pancreas and preserves the Pancreatic Cells that create Insulin.  It’s actually got a lot of other benefits around the whole Insulin picture that will fix Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome, as well as improving the integrity of Ovulation and the Corpus Luteum that’s left after.

With Acne, apart from the Progesterone going through to DHT, Vitex kills off Staph Aureus, it kills off a lot of the other Microbes that contribute to Acne, it’s a very powerful Antimicrobial.  And, by controlling the Insulin effects it also helps to control the Hormonal Cascade that causes Acne and kills the bugs that infect the Acne.  So, in most cases it should improve Acne, and the only times it won’t is if they’ve got a 5-Alphareductase issues where they’re converting it through.

Jeff:
Cool.  So, obviously there’s a lot of good news for women there, and probably a few of the guys are starting to pick up going, “Oh, Insulin Sensitivity?  That’s not too bad.”

Matt:
For blokes, when you have Dopamine – like I said before, Dopamine does self-esteem, pride, reward.  But, if you have too much Dopamine it can make you aggressive and neurotic, but think about this, Noradrenaline and Adrenaline, we always have in response to Stress, and Noradrenaline and Adrenaline gives you that fear of the unknown, it makes you feel as though you should be doing something, in other words, if you’re one of those people whose left at  the end of the day going, “Geez, I could have done things better today, I’ve still got stuff tomorrow, and oh, crikey, I’ve got to just go through the same process tomorrow,” if you’re one of those people as opposed to the sort of people who sit back, have a beer and go, “Man, I nailed it today.  I finished today.  Whatever happened today is done.  Good on me, I survived another day.  I’ll just chill out now and deal with it all again tomorrow.”  If you’re one of those people who, at the end of the day, who can be – especially those people who are like evil in their business, and then at the end of the day can sit back and go, “That’s just my job and I’m proud for doing a great job,” that’s what Dopamine does.

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So, for the people that are stuck with Noradrenaline they’ve got fear of the unknown, worry and self-doubt and all that sort of stuff, but if you’ve got Dopamine floating around you get that confidence, that self-worth, that pride, and you get a bit of reward, and you don’t need to seek out crazy stuff for reward.

If you’ve got Dopamine deficiency then you have a Reward Deficiency Syndrome where you need to do extremely weird stuff to feel something and get some pride.  They are the people that go out and do crazy behaviours, or crave drugs, or crave gambling, or need something to get a Dopamine surge so they can get some sort of reward and pride feeling for all their hard work and effort.

So, for people who are stuck with Noradrenaline and not getting Dopamine, Vitex can have a massive effect at changing their mood.  It’s a big paradigm shift, all of a sudden, these people can go, “Oh, I feel proud of me and who I am,” and that’s what Dopamine does, and I think that’s excellent.

Prolactin we know, with men, is a massive problem.  Prolactin is released with Stress, it contributes to lower levels of Androgens, Testosterone, and everything, supresses Libido – and, that’s how Vitex improves Libido by dropping off Prolactin, increasing Luteinising Hormone, and Luteinising Hormone, in men, stimulates the production of Testosterone.  So, when men use Vitex they get a Dopamine surge, confidence, self-esteem, and self-worth.

Also, if you’re an athlete or if you’re a lifter, that sort of stuff, when you approach and event, or even a training session, with Dopamine as opposed to Noradrenaline, you approach things with confidence, and you approach things without hesitation, and Dopamine also improves fluidity of movement and improves technique and form.  So, having a Dopaminergic activity through your body means you can attack a weight with more confidence and do it with better form, which means less injuries, better quality workouts, you get more Testosterone firing with the Dopamine.

Jeff:
The impact that it has on Luteinising Hormone has made me rethink things a little bit, Matt.  Because, my advice for guys, normally, when they were using our products, was obviously the MARS to increase Testosterone levels and what have you, but’s also got Tongkat Ali in it, but I would recommend the PRIME as well, simply because I like more Tongkat Ali.  But if you were going to get covered off on the MARS it might actually be worthwhile giving the VENUS a crack, because you’re going to get more Luteinising Hormone.

Matt:
Yeah, exactly.  And, with women, typically with VENUS, or Vitex, I tell them to take the full does to regulate your Hormones.  So, if you’re using VENUS as a product or Vitex to regulate your Hormones, the best way to do it is to do 1 gram every day at like 8am.  Just keep a consistent dose at the same time of day every day, and that’s the best way to interact with your Pituitary Gland and control your Hormones on a monthly cycle.

But, if you’re looking for that Dopamine hit and that sort of stuff, that Dopamine surge, then there’s no harm in splitting it.  So, for the blokes they’ll often do two in the morning and two at night, and that way they’ll get a little Dopamine surge in the morning and another Dopamine surge at night.

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Dopamine is also important for Sleep maintenance.  You’ll find Serotonin gets you to sleep, but Dopamine is involved in the conversion of Serotonin to Melatonin to keep you asleep, it puts you into a nice deep improved Sleep maintenance.  So, when you at Vitex as a Herb, if you think about that whole suppressing the Libido from the monk’s thing, and I don’t know what that was, that was just –

Jeff:
That would have scared a lot of guys, well and women, but scared a lot of guys off it.

Matt:
Oh hell yeah, I wouldn’t have touched it.  We learnt that at uni, “It’s a girl’s Herb because it suppresses Libido in blokes,” that’s how they’d say it, “It’s not to be used for men.”

Jeff:
We shouldn’t call it Chaste Berry, we should call it Randy Monk Berry.

Matt:
Yeah, well it’s like that.  The monks would say, “No, no it’s to suppress our Libido.”

Jeff:
That might explain a few more things, but let’s not get into that.

(laughing)

Okay, well that’s a good myth to be able to dispel.  So, for guys out there who may be also having a bit of an issue with staying asleep as well – I mean obviously it’s great for women too – but yeah, the Vitex before going to bed with your CORT is probably not a bad thing to look at.

Matt:
Especially if it’s having all those Mood stabilising effects, and it’s dropping off Prolactin then you’re less likely of getting Gynecomastia, less likely to have Moods, and you’re less likely to have Testosterone suppression, especially from Stress.  You know how the guys come and say, “I did all the training.  I’ve finished my comp.”  Or, “I’ve come off the cycle, but my Testosterone won’t go,” that’s when you bring in the Vitex, because if you get a big surge of Dopamine it blocks the Prolactin, and the Luteinising Hormone comes and it can kick that Menstrual Cycle back in for the women, but it can also kick back in the whole Hormonal Cascade for the blokes, get those nuts full again.

Jeff:
I’m really something for the first – well, not the first time –

Matt:
For the first time this morning.

Jeff:
For the first time this morning.  But no, learning something in terms of how to use the VENUS differently.

Matt:
Well, what about Estrogen Dominance in males?  In females, if you’ve got Estrogen Dominance, like I said, everything is proliferative, everything swells and grows, so too much Boobs, Blood and Bloating.

(laughs)

But, if you’ve got not enough Progesterone you may not have that Bloating and the Boob changes, but you might find you spot mid-Cycle, your Cycle instead of going the four weeks, you’re getting bleeding every two or three weeks, that sort of stuff, and that’s how you can tell that maybe you’ve got low Progesterone and normal Estrogen.

But, if blokes need to offset that Estrogen Dominance they can use the ALPHA VENUS because it does the Estrogen detoxification, and it increases their Progesterone.  And, even if that Luteinising Hormone and that sort of stuff isn’t directly doing Testosterone, Progesterone is a precursor to the other Hormones anyway, so it will increase the total Hormonal load.   Men with Estrogen Dominance get a lot of Fat and Fluid in the same sorts of places as women, Hips and Chest and backs of the Arms, lower Back, lower Abs.  Blokes will get more Anxiety, they get more worry, and they will find they cannot let stuff go.  So, a bloke with an Estrogen Dominance they’ll get that worry, someone will say something or something will happen and normally they’d just have their Stress response, their Survival Response and then let it go.

[00:30:06]

That’s one of the classic features of Testosterone, it will amplify your Stress Response, but then switch it off instantly so you’re not holding grudges, you’re not thinking about it later, it’s gone, you’ve dealt with it.  But, Estrogen does the opposite, Estrogen will impede your Stress Response, it blocks negative feedback, so you can’t let things go.  You’ve had your worry, you’ve had your panic, you’ve had your dummy spit, but then it just keeps rolling around in your head.

Jeff:
So, that is, by definition, being Neurotic, just not being able to let it go, constantly thinking about it, constantly picking at it, constantly focused on it, constantly trying to do something about it.

Matt:
That is Estrogen amplifying the Noradrenaline.  But, if you get your Androgens amplifying your Dopamine affects, you get Confidence, Pride, Self-esteem, reward, you let things go, you’ve dealt with it, and you’ve got the confidence to know that you dealt with it effectively, and it makes your Stress Response efficient.

Jeff:
Sounds way better.

Matt:
Yeah.  So, blokes with Estrogen Dominance will be predisposed to Headaches, Migraines, they won’t be able to stop thinking, their Brain will go – it also interferes with short term Memory and Concentration Span, so you get running on Gut Instincts and Intuition.  It’s like mother’s Intuition, all of a sudden you start thinking, “What’s my Gut telling me?  My Gut is saying, “This is not quite right,” or, “I just can’t let this go.  I need closure,” that’s the sort of thing that happens with Estrogen Dominance in the Brain.

So, if you think of something like Vitex, that not only offsets the Estrogen Dominance by improving Androgen production it drops off the Prolactin, but it boosts that Dopamine so it gives you that Pride, Self-esteem, Reward, and helps you to switch off, a nice deep sleep, refresh, it toughens you up and you go again.

Jeff:
Matt, you’ve got a few studies in front of you there, have you been through each of those?  Have we covered off on the information there?

Matt:
We’ll publish this article with all the references.  Basically, we’ve grabbed the studies, the studies comparing it to Antidepressants showing that it works the same without the side effects, the studies with the Prolactin lowering, the studies with the Dopamine boosting, I’ve got all those studies here with the right doses and the details.  The theme is, it has a similar effect as the drugs but it just doesn’t have the side effects, which is really, really cool.

Jeff:
Super cool.  Well, is there anything else on Vitex that you want to cover off on.  Again, Matt, I’ve learnt something today in terms of adding it into my stack before I go to bed at night.

Matt:
Well, it’s just how and when to use it.  So, with females, if you want to fix your Hormones I recommend you do the 1000 mgs of Vitex every day at about 8am.

If you want to save some dollars, it doesn’t actually do anything while you’ve got your Period, so you can stop taking it while you’ve got your Period.  If you don’t have a Period you can actually take it and create a Menstrual Cycle, when you want to have your Period you stop taking it.

Jeff:
You’re talking about women here?

Matt:
Yeah, mainly women.  It depends, Jeff, I don’t know if it will work for you.

(laughing)

But anyway, that’s the way you do it, you create a Menstrual Cycle and do it that way.

For blokes, it doesn’t really matter, you can take 2 in the morning, you can take 2 at night, it doesn’t really matter too much, or you can split it up.  Because, we’re not trying to control your Pituitary Gland to maintain your Menstrual Cycle, we’re just trying to give you surges of Dopamine at the most opportunistic times.

[00:33:08]

Jeff:
Again, I’m thinking specifically for guys who are having issues with Sleep quality, staying asleep.  There will be some people who related to this, they can get to sleep but all of a sudden, they’re awake after a couple of hours or what have you, and then have trouble getting back to sleep again.  That’s annoying, a lot of guys get frustrated with that.

Matt:
Yeah, that’s it.  It’s heavily involved in that, man.

Jeff:
Anything else?

Matt:
Just one, it doesn’t interact with the Pill, we’ve got that written here.

Jeff:
That was a big question when it first came out.

Matt:
When it first came out everyone asked about that.  I’ll tell you what does interact with the Pill; changing your Diet, losing Weight, Exercising, having a change in Bowel patterns, so Diarrhea, Constipation, or something that destroys your Gut Flora, which could be something as simple as food poisoning or a hangover.

Jeff:
Wow!  So, if you’re on the Pill and you’re getting really drunk and vomiting heaps, the Pill might not be as effective.

Matt:
Yeah, wrap it up.

(laughing)

Jeff:
Yeah, cling wrap the sausage, you reckon?

Matt:
Cling wrap the sausage!

Jeff:
Matt, we’ve got some FAQs to get into, but before we do that, a couple of things are happening this month and early next month.

Next month we’re going to the US.

Matt:
Struth!

Jeff:
We’re going to the Olympia, and we’ve got a stand there, and Josh Lenartowicz who’s done really well at Tampa, he’s qualified for the Olympia.  Last year he finished ninth, I think it was.  He’s going to be on the stand, and we’re going to be over there visiting our Yankee brothers and sisters – I don’t know, is that politically correct now?

Matt:
I have no idea.

Jeff:
American brothers and sisters, going over and saying g’day, and spreading a bit of the love over there, because we’re getting a lot of listeners from the US now.  So, if you are in the US we’re at the Olympia, and I’m sure we’ll release the stand details soon.

In Australia, we’ve got another Seminar Series on Handbrakes to Health in Adelaide.  There are two Seminars, and they are on Tuesday the 29th of August at Massive Joes, and then Wednesday 30th at Australian Muscle in Salisbury Plains.  So, to find out more details head to the Facebook page, or email Elsa at elsa@atpscience if you’re interested in any of that information.

Matt, we did the Podcast on Wheat, which I really enjoyed.  We were talking about why Wheat is not Wheat.  I forget the lady’s name, and I’m sorry, but she sent an email to Elsa with a prelaunch video they’ve just created called, “What the Wheat?”  What’s really funny, and I’m about three quarters of the way through the video because I keep watching little snippets where I possibly can, and the first 15 or 20 minutes are almost verbatim of what we’re saying on the Podcast, it’s just really cool.

[00:35:59]

Matt:
That’s awesome.

Jeff:
I reckon she must have gone, “Hang on, these guys have seen the prelease of the video,” because we mentioned pretty much all the same sort of stuff, just not in the same way.  But, what is really cool, is they take it to an even higher level in terms of the information they’re showing and in terms of a lot of the history as well.  It’s really, really cool.

Matt:
What’s it called?

Jeff:
It’s called, “What the Wheat?”  Now, I don’t think it’s been released yet because they sent me a pre-release video to have a look.

Matt:
Are we allowed to tell anyone about it?

Jeff:
Yeah, absolutely, and I think that was the reason why they did send it, so we can spread the work to our listeners.  I’m not sure of the release dates but when it comes out we’ll let everybody know.  But, very good information there, especially if you’re interested in Gluten Intolerances and your Health.

Toni found some stone-meal bread that she’s been bringing home as well, so it’s definitely out there, you can find it.  Again, some people don’t like consuming Grains or anything, and I respect that as well, and it’s not something you want to over eat.

Matt:
We’re going to try to grow some of the original wheat and we’re going to try and buy a stone mill, and have a crack.

Jeff:
Well, this company, and again, I’m probably giving you a bit of a push here for reason than that I’m just interested in it, and I’ll get some more information.  But, they actually have the –

Matt:
The Emery Wheat?

Jeff:
Yeah.  They’ve got the old-style Wheat that you can buy which is genetically –

Matt:
Not [00:37:22] [dwarven]

Jeff:
Yeah, and GMO free and all the rest of it.

Matt:
Excellent.

Jeff:
So, I’m happy to give these guys a bit of a plug because I think they’re doing a great thing.  I’ll give some more details in the next coming Podcast once I’ve finally finished the documentary, but so far so good.

Matt:
Yeah.

Jeff:
Matt, we also got a question from a Vegan, and I’ve put it over there for you, I gave it to you before.

Matt:
Did you?  Struth!

Jeff:
Do you want to just read that one out?  I’ll get you to read it this time.  I think what a few of our Vegan and Vegetarian people are asking for is a little bit more detail.

Matt:
How can I tell?  Oh, here it is.

Jeff:
Detail, if possible, on opportunities for them to consume the Nutrients that they need in their Diet without making it feel like they should be eating meat.  Because, I think that’s the way it come over a little bit, in that we didn’t probably cover enough Vegetarian options for them.  So, do you want to read the question and help them out.

Also, I just want to say, Alana has just joined the team and she’s a great, great girl.  She’s come on as our CSM Manager here, and she’s a Vegan, and she’s always got a host of questions for us for Vegetarians and Vegans as well.  As I like to say, “Nanu, nanu, live long and prosper.”

So, Matt?

FAQs

Matt:
            [00:38:33]

            “Hi.  Firstly, I love your products, and both my wife and I use them on a daily basis.  I just finished your Podcast 116, and this is the first one I’ve heard and the topics covered I am extremely interested in.  I thought it was great, until the end, when Veganism came up.  You showed so much knowledge in everything until this came up.  I was disappointed you couldn’t think of any Protein sources and the best Iron source you mentioned was red meat, which shouldn’t even come up as it’s obviously not Vegan.

[00:39:00]

I think people always look for a large source of everything, but for a Vegan Diet I believe in having a large range of different smaller sources, for example with Protein.  When I eat Oats, I add many other things such as Goji Berries, Pepitas, Cacao Nibs, Macca Powder, dried Cranberries, and have it with Rice Milk.  There is over 30 grams of Protein and large amounts of Iron and Calcium.  As I said, this is just an example, but by combing small sources I also think you get a larger range of overall Nutrients.

So, when talking about this in the future, can this be mentioned to not make people think there are no good Protein or Iron sources without supplementation.

Thanks again for your research and passing on your knowledge, you’re doing amazing work, Neil.”

Matt:
Cool, man.

Jeff:
It’s a good point, Matt.

Matt:
That’s an excellent point.  And, it’s possibly because none of us are Vegan and in the forefront of our Brain we just have a bit of paralysis there when we get asked [overtalk] [00:39:55]

Jeff:
That’s right.

Matt:
It’s like, “What would you do to get Iron,” and it’s like, “Well, [overtalk] [00:39:58] too much.

Jeff:
Well, it’s really cool because Alana, who is the CSM Manager, and she’s a competitor as well, she competes, and I think she’s doing Bikini in WBFF, and she’s going to be asking a lot of questions from the Vegan point of view as well.

Matt:
What you’ll often find as well, the meat sources of Protein we can look at those as containing one quarter of their weight as Protein, and a lot of the Vegan sources, especially Legumes, Nuts and Seeds, they’re only about 20%, one fifth.  So, he’s exactly right, you’ve just got to eat a little bit more and get more variety into the Vegan sources of those sorts of things.

Jeff:
Yes.

Matt:
The challenge that comes with the Vegan Diet in Iron absorption, is the binding of Iron to other Phytates and that sort of stuff as well, the actual plant fibres that make it harder to get that Iron out of the plants.  And, also in animal sources of Iron it’s already been digested and converted into the form that out body wants.  So, for Vegans it just means there’s a little bit of extra work they’ve got to do.  But, the good news is, when you’re Iron deficient, your body will often upregulate a lot of those Pathways to improve your absorption anyway, and drag it through when your body really needs it.  So, that’s the other benefit of having a bit variety with lots of small amounts of mixed forms, is your body will pick and choose and you’re less likely to get overdoses and overloads.

Also, the big point is, with the Vegan Diet, don’t look for meat alternatives, and I know these guys probably won’t, but a lot of the problems come with meat alternatives that are made up of Gluten and weird Soy Proteins to supply that Protein, because they can actually have Antinutrients.

So, what you’re looking for to get your Protein in Vegan sources, is a massive variety of the Nuts and Seeds, the Vegetables, the Cereals, the Grains, the Legumes, and then when you look for things like the Soy go for the Fermented Soy, so things like Miso, Tofu, Tempeh, they’re better than a Soy Flour which is not natural as such.

[00:42:06]

An interesting thing as well, to look for, for Vegans, the only thing you can’t really get is a compound known as Hydroxy proline.  You might want to research that and look into that.  Hydroxy proline is unique to Collagen and Connective Tissue, we get that out of Bone Broth and in a lot of Collagen based supplementation and that sort of stuff.  Hydroxy proline is not found in plants, but the benefit there is to directly feed our Collagen.  So, Vegans will need to look for foods that are relatively high in Proline and see if they can actually convert that through to Hydroxy proline.

There are some Vegan sources of Hydroxy proline but they’re not typically in our Diet, they’re things like weird Mosses and Algae, they’re almost borderline between plants and animals, and then you get into the Fungi and the Algae and those sorts of things.

Jeff:
Well, just mentioning that, I was listening to Shark Tank, and there was a woman that came on and she was talking about her product, and they were like, “Oh, it’s got all the Vegan,” and all the rest of it, “Oh yes, and what have you got in there?” “I’ve got honey.”  I was like, “Hang on a minute, we just got beaten up because we had honey in our products.”  I guess, the interpretation of what’s Vegan is in the eye of the beholder, per se, so whether Moss of Fungus is considered to be Vegan, I guess is – again, I get confused.

Matt:
Yeah, I’m a bit confused by it, but it is ‘plantie’.

But, what he’s doing there is exactly right, and yeah, we’re probably a little bit biased here in the sense that off the top of our heads we’re not really pumping out Vegan recipes on a daily basis.

Jeff:
No, and we’ve said this before as well.  I had a Vegan come up to me at the Arnold Classic about two or three years ago – gee times flies – and, she said, “I love your products, but I’m just getting so frustrated that I’m constantly having to take them out of the capsules,” and I said, “Why?” and she said, “Well, you use gelatin capsules.”  This showed how little I really know, so I was like, “I’m so sorry about that.”  So, we investigated and we went, “You know what, it costs a little bit more, but actually the product was better by putting it into a veggie cap, which is great.

Matt:
Yeah.  Because, we’ve got Hypromellose now, which is a fibre from a pine tree.

Jeff:
Which is awesome.  For non-vegetarians, of course, it doesn’t matter to them, but for Vegans and for other people with religious beliefs as well, they don’t want to be taking gelatin, you know, Sikhs and other religions.

Matt:
By the way, Hypromellose prevents Dental Cavities, if feeds Good Bacteria, it reduces the Glycaemic Index of foods, it’s a very good Pre Biotic Fibre, and that’s what our capsules are actually made of.

Jeff:
That is awesome for everybody, and even though we’re not a Vegan company per se, we believe in Best Practise and we’re also sensitive that a large percentage of people who use our products are Vegan.  And, we’ve got it clearly marked if they aren’t, but just don’t use the Protein.

[00:44:59]

Thanks, Neil, a valid –

Matt:
I hope I – I don’t know if I – well, it wasn’t really a question.

Jeff:
The nice thing is, that Neil has pointed out to us, for our other listeners who are Vegetarian and Vegan, ways that they can supplement their Diet through other means.

Matt:
Yeah.  Thanks for doing that Neil, because I can imagine the percentage of people that might have given us the finger and just switched off.

(laughs)

Jeff:
Well, I do that all the time, just behind your back.

Matt:
That’s fine.

Jeff:
No, Matt, I think it’s good.  And, we’ve got to be mindful, of course, of people who have dietary limitations and Vegetarianism and Veganism is a large movement, so we have to be mindful of that.

Matt:
I could never do it, because I’ve got an Oxalate Deposition disorder and the Vegan Diet will kill me.  One of the things that I can tolerate is the opposite.  And, Paleo people have the same sort of problem; there are these Oxalate compounds that come out of Vegetables, Nuts and Seeds, Legumes, Spinaches, Kales, and Oxalates when they get into your body they can actually bind with Magnesium, Calcium, Iron and deplete them from your system and form crystals that go into your Connective Tissue and that causes a lot of Pain, a lot of Soreness, it mimics things like Gout, Frozen Shoulders.

If anyone is out there, who suddenly decides, “I’m going on a health kick, and I’m just going to have Kale juice, and Spinach juice and Nuts and Seeds, I’m going to add Almond Meal to everything and get rid of all my meat and everything like that, and then everything goes to poo, there’s a fair chance that you’ve got issues with Oxalates.

Jeff:
You’ve been on a quest for this for a while?

Matt:
Yeah.

Jeff:
But, you’ve just actually worked out what the issue was, because you’ve gone to that many specialists and Blood tests and all the rest of it, and you keep drawing a blank, and it’s through your own investigations that you found out that you had this issue.

Matt:
That’s right.  And, it’s the opposite, so everything I thought I would do to be healthy was killing me, and that’s why the harder I tried the worse I got, and it was quite frustrating.

Jeff:
Even with Teas and stuff like that, you found out that you’re better off with coffee.

Matt:
With the Oxalates, Sweet Potato, Spinach, Legumes, Nuts and Seeds, Soy is the worst, Green Tea, Black Tea, they’re the worst, Potatoes, a lot of my favourite vegetables and that they’re all gone.

Jeff:
So, it creates these almost like crystals that form – it’s similar in a way to Gout –

Matt:
That’s exactly what it is, but instead of inside the Joint if forms into the Cartilage or the Fascia, the soft tissue, and it forms sandy gritty stuff which will cause a Frozen Shoulder or a Pseudo Gout that’s like Gout but it’s not inside the Joint, it’s in the soft tissue.  It also makes your Eyes gritty, it does a lot of weird stuff, and in extreme cases you can get Kidney Stones.

The funny thing, the medical world only acknowledges it when you get Kidney Stones, and then they go back and go, “Oh, do you get all these other symptoms?” and you’re like, “Yeah, they’re the things I’ve been complaining about for 10 years before the Kidney Stone appeared,” and it’s, “Yeah, yeah, that’s Oxalates.”

[00:48:02]

Jeff:
Because, this is a Genetic issue because your sister has exactly the same thing.  Have you spoken to her about it yet?

Matt:
No, it’s actually from my father, because my father had Hardening of the Arteries without any issues with Cholesterol or Blood Pressure or anything.

Jeff:
But, your Dad’s ripped, isn’t he?

Matt:
Yeah, he’s a finely tuned athlete but he’s got Frozen Shoulders, he’s got the Joint Pains, and then found out he had the Hardening of the Arteries, and that’s all the same Oxalic Acid crystals, so we’re going to test him now as well.

Jeff:
That’s amazing.  I love it when you get breakthroughs like that, especially when you’ve had a long-term health complaint, and no one seems to be able to help you and all of a sudden, a couple of pieces of the puzzle come together and it’s like, “Eureka.”

Matt:
Yeah.

Jeff:
Anyway, I’m happy for you Matt, and for your sister and your dad, too.

 

FAQs:

Alright, we’ll get into some FAQs:

            [00:48:44]

This one is from Jess, one of our Tribies.

“Hi Matt and Jeff, and welcome Steve.”

Well, Steve’s not here today, but I appreciate that, because he probably feels like it’s the Matt and Jeff show at times.

“Matt, after speaking to you at the Arnolds you asked me to email through my OAT Test results so you could have a proper look and put me on your [00:49:04] [overtalk].  I’ve included the Organic Test, recent Blood work from PCOS studies and a CDSA level Four.  I have also just been diagnosed with Pyrroles and the MTHFR.

I’m really confused about what to treat, because after listening to every one of you Podcasts I feel like I tick the boxes of every single condition that you talk about.”

Oh Jess, that’s frustrating.

“Just to recap, I’m 30 years old and I feel I have a poor quality of life for someone my age.  My stomach issues are constant and I feel older than I am due to feeling tired and lethargic most of the time.  I just cannot move like I used to in the gym due to ongoing injuries and aches and pains.  That aside, my mental health is getting worse because of all of the above.

I’ve become obsessive, anxious and depressed.  I have a bad relationship with food and I’m super critical and hard on myself, not to mention there isn’t an hour of the day I’m not thinking of my stomach because of the mayhem that’s going on in there.

In point form, these are my issues:

I have had IBS and Food Intolerances for many years, to Dairy, Gluten, Fructose, and was diagnosed with Leaky Gut in 2015.

I got Bali Belly in 2013 and then food poisoning in Bali in 2014, and two stool tests revealed that I have Gut Dysbiosis and Blastocystis hominis.  The bastards have been living in me for over three years.  See attached.

I was on the Pill from the age of 17 to 29, for 12 years total without breaks, and since stopping it last year in September 2016 I haven’t had a Period for 10 months, it’s now July.  Since coming off I feel like the whole body has changed, weight and cellulite gain, painful horrible cystic Acne on my cheeks and jawline, which I’ve never experienced before in my life.  Darkening of lip hair and random black hairs on my breasts.

I was recently diagnosed with PCOS after an ultrasound revealed I have follicles on my Ovaries, however my Bloods do not reflect PCOS, and my Testosterone levels are not high.  Please again, see attached.

[00:51:08]

Pyrroles with a score of 45 and an MTHFR Gene Mutation.  Thyroid is generally around the under active end, generally high Sex Hormone Binding Globulin.

My other symptoms are:  Anxiety and Depression, Adrenal Fatigue.  Can’t concentrate, just a really cloudy Brain, and a really poor short-term Memory.  Brittle Nails and dry and cracked flaky Skin, especially around my fingernails and on my feet.  I’m always feeling cold and have freezing hands and feet.  I have stubborn Fat deposits in my Estrogen areas, low sex drive, frequent bad dreams.  I can rarely seem to breathe through the nostrils clearly, either one side is constantly blocked or I feel like I have limited airflow that goes through and when I’m doing more aerobic exercise like high intensity training I’m constantly yawning, and the shortness of breath is what fails me more than the weights.

Other information that might help:

When I used to be on the Pill my Skin would break out around the Day 21 mark, or about a week before I got my Period.  I never really experience Period Pain, PMS or any other symptoms.

Before I went on the Pill at 17 years of age, I remember I used to have extremely heavy and irregular Periods, and hence the reason I went onto it.  I asked myself, your question, “What haven’t I been the same since?”

This is a question Matt usually asks.  For people with a big health issue, who say, “I haven’t been the same since boom, this happened.”

“I went into hospital in February 2015 and had a Colonoscopy and Endoscopy for Celiac Disease.  Of course, it came back negative and the Gastroenterologist gave me the all clear, but since them my stomach has been worse and gets spastic every single morning.

My main concerns are my Weight, Mental Health, Hormones, and Fatigue, and above all, my Gut.  There’s not a day I feel normal, and that doesn’t bother me, I’m constantly Bloated and in discomfort, no matter what I eat it’s embarrassing.  I feel like no matter what I do to treat the other things nothing is going to work if I don’t get my Gut right.

I’ve been on a break from ATP supps because they’re not working like they used to, but I know it’s me, because I got really good results when I first started on them a couple of years ago.  I’m also currently seeing a Naturopath, who is amazing and very much in line with Matt’s teachings and likes the idea of the ATP products, but because you’re a proprietary blend she doesn’t want to prescribe any of them because she can’t track the dosages she’s putting me on or following to treat the Hormones and Pyrroles so she can track how I respond.

Currently, I’m taking Zinc Picolinate, Activated B Complex,” and two other products there Matt, and you can see what they are.

“Does sound okay to you, or what else would you like me to do.  I’ve spend well in excess of 10k so far trying to seek so many different supplements with no great results and seeing various specialists who’ve done nothing but put a hole in my wallet, I have nearly given up.

Please help, Jess.”

[00:54:04]

Matt:
Cool.  Now, there are a few things to cover with this, but she needs to go back and read this because she’s actually answered a lot of her own questions.  She’s gone through the timeline and said it all started when the Gut went weird, and the Gut is still weird.  So, three years later, your Gut still has Blastocystis hominis and you’ve still got Dysbiosis.  ATP Science does not, yet, have out Gut product out that will correct that, but we will soon.

Jeff:
It’s funny that she said she wants to get her Gut right.

Matt:
Yeah.  This is the problem, and you’ve got to fix the cause.  So, of course, trying to manipulate changes within your Hormones using ATP Products and that sort of stuff, it’s only going to have a temporary effect because the cause is still there.  You need to eradicate the Blastocystis Hominis and the Dysbiosis.  I did look through all the results.  This OAT test doesn’t actually pick up the markers for Fungi, Mould, and Candida, which I was really interested in, because I couldn’t see them.

Jeff:
It’s funny, Matt, because we were only talking about that last week, or earlier in the week.

Matt:
What you’ve got to realise is, with the Blastocystis hominis, it creates a problem where it releases chemicals and it knocks out your good friendly Bacteria, and it allows other Fungi, Mould and Yeast to grow.  A classic feature of Fungi, Mould and Yeast is that non-productive Sinus Congestion that Jess mentioned.  But, what happens is, when you get the combination it creates this Biofilm through your Gut, which is like a –

Jeff:
It’s almost like [00:55:31] [inaudible] thing, isn’t it?

Matt:
Yeah, like a Plaque, it’s almost like Dental Plaque, but it is actually created through your Gut.  Any Antimicrobial you use can’t break up that Biofilm and kill off the bugs and if you can’t kill off the bugs then they’re secreting chemicals.  It would be really interesting to look for Clostridia as well, because Clostridia can explain a lot of those Neurotransmitter changes, because it actually creates this thing called the Tryptophan Steal.

When you get an imbalance in your Gut the Inflammation and the Oxidative Stress blocks the Hydroxylation of your Amino Acids that create your Neurotransmitters and it sends Tryptophan down this Kynurenine pathway that causes Obsessive Compulsive Behaviour and Thoughts, and stops the Serotonergic effects.

So, what we’ve got is we’ve got this Gut problem that’s causing excessive amounts of Inflammation, Immune Dysregulation, and a constant, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, Stress, and inescapable Stress.  To recreate an Inescapable Stress in animal models, to try to create the same change without screwing up their Guts, they actually glue their feet to a little tube so they can’t move, so 24 hours a day, 7 days a week they’re freaking out.

Jeff:
That is horrible.

Matt:
Well, that creates the same chemical imbalance as having a constant source of Inflammation and Stress from your Gut, so they can then go see how we can manage that.

Jeff:
Are you serious?

Matt:
Yeah.  So, basically, what Jess is going through is a Constant Stress that she can’t find, she can’t put her finger on, she can’t blame, it’s inside her and she’s carrying it around constantly.  Unless you fix that Dysbiosis everything is temporary.

But, in saying that – and, there is a bit of a vicious cycle that’s forming here.  The things that she needs to break up the Biofilm and fix the Hormones, fix the Neurotransmitters are depleted by the Dysbiosis.  So, she needs to go and top up the B Vitamins, in particular.

[00:57:18]

At the moment, she’s using a synthetic version of Activated Vitamins.

And, an interesting thing, I went to this international summit on the weekend, talking about Methylators and talking about MTHFR Genes, and talking about using synthetic Vitamins to overcome – and prescribing formulas based on Organic Acid Profiles and that using Activated Vitamins, and my favourite quote from the weekend was, when this Geneticist piped up and said, “We now know that you must fortify your synthetic prescriptions with naturals.”

Jeff:
I love it.

Matt:
Isn’t it funny, because the only reason why synthetics existed, originally, was to fortify your foods with synthetic Vitamins, but now, so many people are relying on synthetics for their Vitamins that they’re now told to fortify their synthetics with the natural source of Folates.

So, you need the MULTI FOOD in there.  Send Jess a MULTI FOOD.

Jeff:
Yeah, I’ll send her two.

Matt:
She needs the MULTI FOOD so she can stack it with those synthetics otherwise you’re going to create major imbalances and it’s going to cause more harm than good, because the problem is, with those synthetic Vitamins, even though they’re not a proprietary blend and the Vitamin levels are listed, it’s not the right combination of ingredients to fix what showed up in the OAT Test.

The MULTI FOOD has the extra though, so if you supplement your synthetics with the MULTI FOOD then you’ll cover the little bits and pieces.  But, for Jess, unless your Guts are fixed – whatever you’re doing it’s pointless unless you fix your Guts.

So, definitely take the MULTIs, but all that other stuff about trying to manipulate Brain Chemistry and Hormones and Detox, it’s not going to do anything until you fix the Guts, and we need to break up this Biofilm.  We might even do a Podcast specifically on Fungi, Mould and Biofilms, because it’s such a big topic.

But, I’ll quickly tell Jess what the keys are, and there’s no silver bullet, of course, but what you want to look for is Coconut Oil, Caprylic Acid or Capric Acid that’s in the Coconut Oil.  Limonene from Grapefruit, and Peppermint, which happens to be all in AMP V.  They actually help to break up the surface tension of the Biofilm and let the Antimicrobials get in.  Then, the most potent Antimicrobials you would be looking for would be something like Grapefruit Seed extract, equivalent to 1 gram a day, which is about six or seven Grapefruit Seeds that you could actually eat, and then using a lot of other Antimicrobials like Garlic, Artemisia annua, which is Chinese Wormwood.

You’ve got to kill that stuff in your Guts.  Don’t even bother investing time and resources into other stuff until you fix your Guts, because it’s not working, and you’ve just proven that, and you’ve said that the whole way through, “I’ve never been the same since we did that thing in the Guts.  I’ve been carrying a bug around for three years,” or 2013 or whatever.

[01:00:06]

Everything you just said, the Guts went crook, you got the parasite, you got the food poisoning, you got the Colonoscopies, you did all this stuff through your Gut and everything else has been gradually getting worse because this Gut thing has just been getting worse and worse itself.

In the ATP range, I apologise we didn’t have a Gut one out first, but I’ve been trying to make it perfect.

Jeff:
Yeah, and we’re close, really close.  In fact, we just had some this morning, we’re really only working on flavours now.

Matt:
Oh man, what about me, I just had a week off because my whole family got nailed with Gastro because they wouldn’t take the poo powder, and I managed to be in contact the worst Gastro I’ve ever seen, it was like a Young Ones episode, it was horrendous.

Jeff:
Coming out both ends at the same time?

Matt:
Ugh!  I never caught it.  I just maintained a dose of the thing and I never caught it.

Jeff:
The reason why Matt wasn’t here last week was because he was actually quarantined from the office because the Gastro bug that went through his house was so horrific, and Matt, you were there picking up vomit and poo and all the rest of it, and washing it, and you didn’t get it, which is ridiculous.  If anybody knows anything about Gastro it is one of the most contagious bugs you can possibly get.  And, again, you put it down to the new Gut formula.

Matt:
Well, my wife missed two doses, she didn’t take the one at night and she didn’t take one the next morning and then she went, whereas I didn’t miss the doses and I kept the infection at bay.

Jeff:
It was horrible, seriously.  But, you weren’t coming into the office because we didn’t want him to be a carrier or something, but you managed to get through it and you were fine without a single vomit or anything.

Matt:
No, I’m fine.

Jeff:
About this Plaque thing.  So, breaking this thing up, Matt?

Matt:
This is the funny thing; that depletion of the B Vitamins that they said links in with the Kryptopyroluria, (aka Mauve Factor) that’s linked in with that, everything you’ve said here, the PCOS without the Androgen excess is an Insulin Resistance issue, the Thyroid conversion pathways is Inflammation into the Liver where you don’t convert the Thyroid, plus the compound Toxins that come out of the Parasite blocks T4 activity.  It’s all linking back to the Guts, everything is back to the Guts, and the whole Organic Acid profile, the only thing showing abnormal through the body is depletion of Nutrients associated with that Gut dysfunction.

Jeff:
Fix that.  Save the Gut save the world.

Matt:
Yeah.  Go and fix the Gut and as far as those other supplements you can take them but –

Jeff:
We’ll send you some for free, Jess.  We’ll send you two MULTI FOOD and two AMP V so you can give it a good crack.  Grab all that stuff that Matt said as well, the Grapefruit Seed Extract, or maybe even Grapefruits, Matt.

Matt:
The other thing too, just quickly, when people mention these Proprietary Blends –

Jeff:
I’ve written that down.

Matt:
I’ve just got to get something off my chest.  I’ve been involved in all aspects of this industry from being a clinician through to someone who develops products through to someone who makes the products, and even in the lab does it now.

[01:03:00]

When I try and compare my products to the product, it’s a bit of a joke –

Jeff:
You worked with those companies, Matt.

Matt:
Yeah, but these companies are also misleading with their labelling.  Now, we didn’t mention the company so I can say this; what they’ve done is, they’ve labelled equivalency to fresh fruit, or something.  So, when you add a 10 to 1 extract or something – if I add 1000 mgs of a 10 to 1 extract, that’s equivalent to 10 grams of fresh Herb.  So, when someone writes equivalent to 10 grams of fresh Herb on the label, to me, I don’t know if that’s a 10 to 1, 100 to 1, extract standardised to anything.  20 to 1 of a 50 – you don’t know what they’ve actually put in their product for them to use that form of creative labelling.

If people were to be open and honest about exactly what’s in their formula – what I’m saying, is that people who label “equivalent to” dry fruit or fresh berries or something, is a form of hiding their recipe that is a proprietary blend.  They aren’t telling you what’s in the product, they’re tricking you into thinking this one capsule has 10 grams of Turmeric, 20 grams of this, 20 grams of that.  It’s not real.

When someone puts all that stuff on the label you still can’t use that as a Naturopath.  So, when we go through and don’t specifically write that stuff it doesn’t make any bloody difference from the practitioner’s point of view, because you’ve just got to work out how to use the products.

Jeff:
But, the problem is, Matt, I hear this a lot from Naturopaths and from the guys in the stores that they won’t use our products because it’s not listed.  But the funny thing is, from the other point of view, from the business point of view, because we work in the Natural Health industry, and there is a lot of research, Matt, into making these formulas, and the ratios and the amounts that you use, you’ve spent a long time getting those exactly right.  That’s our IP.

Now, a lot of companies out there, and I appreciate specifically in the Sports Industry there have been a lot of dubious companies out there that put, as we used to say, a pixie dust of active ingredient in there, but would put it on the label but would hide it under a proprietary blend so they couldn’t be sued.  The funny thing is, we live and die by the fact that our products work, which is why our testimonials are so good, so we utilise the proprietary blend for our IP which is unique, and we’re not going to let some other uneducated company claim that they are building the same product that we’ve got.  And, when we know, again, even getting the right materials, testing it and all the rest, the stuff that actually goes into making a product that works – I always say the proof is in the pudding, if you take the product you should get the result.  If you’re not then something’s not right.

Matt:
A good example, in those products that this person’s been switched over to, how I said before, all the research on Vitex says, “250 mgs, 500 mgs, up to maybe 1000 mgs,” that’s the dose you use.  Because, everyone knows that, everyone does 500 mg capsules, typically.

[01:06:03]

To get a competitive edge, this company puts in 2000 mgs.  So, because they realise that people are reading the labels they’re going, I’m going to steal market share by making my product stronger and trick people into thinking a stronger product works better,” that’s the pattern that happens.  If I was to then go through, for example, if I was to list off exactly the equivalent of Turmeric that might be in the product someone else might then go through and go, “I can beat their market share by putting more in.”

Jeff:
It’s like baking a cake, you don’t go, “Right, I’m going to add in more sugar because it’s going to work better,” or, “I’m going to add in more flour and that’s going to make it even better,” no.

Matt:
Exactly.  “Their cake’s only got this much flour, our cake’s got twice the flour.”

Jeff:
Yeah, it’s going to make it suck.  I guess it’s a pet hate of mine, Matt, from that point of view, and again, I always say, “Use the products, if the products work you know you’re on the right track.”

Matt:
But, if Naturopaths come to us with a question we usually answer the question, we tell them what they need to know, but first of all I’ve got to say, “What is your actual question?  What do you need to know?”

Jeff:
Well, we’ve got a lot more Naturopaths now.  We had a lady who came up and spoke to me at the Brisbane Seminar and she said, “I was a big sceptic for a long time because I just thought you were like everybody else, just out there with a proprietary blend trying to hide that you had nothing in your products.”  One month on the ALPHA VENUS fixed her health problem; one month, and she’s, “This is great.  I’m going to start utilising these Protocols.”  And, Steve, who effectively in Australia is considered to be one of the best educators of Naturopaths, is now getting out there writing information, answering FAQs, and we’re looking at doing Seminar Series specifically for Naturopaths on how to utilise our products in the way that they are intended, as a tool.

But, we’re a long way from that, I guess, Matt.  I understand the scepticism but hopefully people now can see the results, the proof is in the pudding, with our product.

Matt:
Sometimes it’s not even scepticism, it’s that they just don’t know how to use it, or they think they don’t know how to use it, but it’s not that way, because they’re trying to compare apples and oranges.  They can’t compare the two anyway because of the way people label.  If they said that everyone had to label a certain way, and everyone consistently labelled it exactly that way, you could actually compare it, but when you’ve got some people labelling equivalent to, some people labelling extracts, you don’t know what you’ve got.

Jeff:
That’s true.  And, again, to be able to hide things you can just put it on the label, you could actually even purchase the material, but the material could be crap, your manufacturing could be crap.  Anyway, it’s massive.

Matt:
Well, it could be the equivalent of 20 grams of a Herb, but have no actives in it, and how do you compare that.

Jeff:
Matt, we’ve seen the dark side of manufacturing, and that’s – it’s such a – anyway.

So, this one is from Brett –

[01:08:40]

            “Hi Matt, Jeff and Steve.  A great Seminar in Brisbane.  The amount of knowledge you guys shared was awesome.  A big thanks to Elsa and the rest of your team for running such a great event.  Thank you for what you’ve done and what you are doing in the supplement and Vitamin world.  I definitely had lost faith in the industry over the last few years after doing my own research, but after using your products and listening to your Prodcasts and working with a holistic Nutritionist who understands your products I’m seeing results.”

[01:09:03]

Can I just say that we don’t pre-read these, by the way, so I had no idea that was coming, which is great, a case in point.

“My main issue related to a Stomach bug that I got 10 years ago when I went to Cuba.  Ever since then I have been unable to eat Gluten and in more recent years, Dairy.  Over the past two years I’ve been fatigued and have had flu-like symptoms, swollen glands in the neck, sore throat, and inflamed Tonsils.  I would go to the doctors to get all these tests done just to show that I had high Antibodies but they told me I had the flu.  I knew it wasn’t just the flu, something else was wrong.

            In October 2016, I had heaps of tests done to see if I had Parasites in my Gut but the results came back negative.  I can’t recall the exact tests that were done.  So, since then I’ve focused on making sure I was eating clean and reading food labels thoroughly to avoid eating any Gluten, but I still wasn’t getting better.

            In May 2017, I started working with a holistic Nutritionist as I went downhill.  I couldn’t train for eight weeks in April and in May.  My Stress levels were at an all-time high and my body didn’t want to do anything.  I was so exhausted but just couldn’t fall asleep.

            I started using CORT RX, Probiotics, and Glutamine, to start healing my Leaky Gut and to fix my Cortisol levels so I could sleep.  My sleep has improved dramatically since using the CORT RX, initially 2 caps at dinner and 2 caps at bed, but now only 2 caps at bed.  Two weeks after I started these supplements I added T432, 3 caps a day, a was taking 2 in the morning and 1 at dinner.  However, after hearing your Seminar I will now spread it over the three meals.

            Two weeks after that I included the MULTI FOOD, 3 caps at breakfast, and then two weeks after that I started the ALPHA VENUS, 2 caps in the morning and 2 caps at dinner.

            My main concern is, when will my Inflamed Tonsils go down and my Glands go back to normal?  Have you had any patients with similar symptoms before, and if so, how long did it take for them to go away?  I still get quite tired in the afternoons.  I do have a desk job which doesn’t help.  Should I look at changing my dose of CORT RX?  Should I change any of the doses.  I have also bought SUBCUT and AMP V and NOWAY at the Brisbane Seminar, so have just started with them.  I am starting using the BLOCK E at the beginning of July along with the ALPHA VENUS and haven’t noticed too much of a change in the Stomach.

            As you guys discussed in the Seminar, I think I tick all the boxes with Estrogen Dominance, Adrenal Fatigue, and slow Thyroid.

            Based on all the above, what are the best doses I should have with my stacks?  Will I need to take a break from the supplements after using them for three months?  Is a two-week break long enough?

            If you guys need a guinea pig for your Gut supplements I’m happy to help.  Sorry for the extremely long email, but I really want to get the most out of your products so I can be the best again, which I haven’t been for many years.  I’m currently doing weights once per week, and trying to row, hike and walk twice a week anywhere from 30 minutes to two hours.  I’m looking to start increasing it in the next few weeks.

            Thanks again, Britt.”

Matt:
Cool, good question.

[01:12:00]

What happens with the Tonsils stuff, it’s quite weird.  They’re the little Glands in the back of your throat, and they’re pretty much our first line of defence for things we inhale and ingest, in regard to bugs and allergens.

The best way to do these Immunoglobin or Antibody tests is to do IGG, IGA sort of things, and that will tell you whether you’re reacting to Foods or maybe Pollens and Dusts, or whatever.  But, it doesn’t really matter because what actually happens is, the Tonsil’s job is to catch things and create Immune Complexes and create a first line of defence.  The problem is, when it keeps catching things in those Glands the Immune reaction creates a lot of Inflammation, then that Inflammation causes swelling, and that’s what you’re experiencing.

The problem is, that Inflammation and Swelling creates Scar Tissue, and one of the ways the Tonsils protect your body from these Infections is by encapsulating it, creating a scar tissue-like bucket to hold this stuff and not let it into your body.  And, sometimes you might find that your Inflammation is actually gone, you may find the problem’s gone but you’re left with Scar Tissue, and the problem with that is, the Tonsils just keep filling up and it becomes a little nursery for bugs, and any bugs in that Oral Cavity significantly induce a lot of Inflammation through your body.

That Inflammation interferes with all your Hormonal Cascades and everything else, it changes Stress Responses, so again you have a constant source of Stress because the Tonsils and Adenoids become a nursery for bugs.

So, what you need to do is to fill up that bucket with something good, so the bad stuff can’t get in, if that makes sense.  So, if that bucket is constantly overflowing then you know that you can’t get anything else to live in there, and that’s the key.  What we use to fill up the Tonsils are Probiotics and Prebiotics.  You want to look for these things called Arabinogalactans, often they come from the bark of a Larch tree, but you just Google that and you’ll find someone who sells it.  What they are, they’re a weird Sugar that coat in through the Tonsils and Adenoids, down through the Lungs, Respiratory Tract and Gut, and they work through a process known as Competitive Exclusion, where they feed your good Bacteria and they knock off the bad Bacteria.  So, if you use something like an Arabinogalactans with a Probiotic that stimulates your Immune System, like the Rhamnosus GG, or just typical Acidophilus and that sort of stuff, they will then live with that fibre in your Tonsils and fill it up and stop other things from coming in.

Jeff:
Cool.

Matt:
And, another one that’s really good for that is, Propolis.  Propolis is something that Bees line the inside of their hives with to stop Fungal and Bacterial Infection getting into the hive, and when you use that it puts a nice coating through the Tonsils and Adenoids, it works with the Probiotics and the Prebiotics to create a barrier and fill up the Tonsils so nothing else can come in.  That will take the burden off your Immune System, and when that happens it takes a burden off your Detoxification and Stress and a lot of other things will settle down.

Jeff:
I was going to say, at that stage when that’s all done, then the supplements should start working more effectively, like the BLOCK E.

[01:15:02]

Matt:
Well, the priority has changed at the moment, the body still thinks you’re under a Stress, so it’s sitting there going –

Jeff:
Survival Mechanism.

Matt:
If you put these things in and it will try and force change for a period of time, and the body goes, “Look, the signals are still there, I think we really should address this issue.”  Again, when this Gut product comes out –

Jeff:
That would help as well?

Matt:
Oh hell, man, yes.

Jeff:
Far out.  It just seems like so many –

Matt:
I’ve got to get this thing out.

Jeff:
Yeah, I know.  Well, it’s part of a larger campaign, I’m not going to get too far into it, Matt’s looking at me funny and Toni would probably shoot me as well.

Matt:
Oh, we’ll just release the Gut one.  I want it, I want it – well, I suppose I’ve got it, haven’t I?

(laughs)

Jeff:
What’s interesting, Matt, since we’ve looked at this and we’ve had a lot of feedback, it’s a journey for us as well, we start seeing so many consistencies in people’s issues and there’s a base foundation.  We’ve created, what you like to call, the movers and shakers, products like the ALPHA VENUS, the ALPHA MARS, we do amazing stuff.  But, what we’re noticing is that unless you start from a great foundation, and we’re noticing now that’s on the rise –

Matt:
You saw it with Jess, all of these are saying the same.  Your stuff works, I can force things to change, but unless I treat the cause it’s a constant management issue.

Jeff:
Exactly.

Matt:
And, we can’t afford to just be managing this stuff all the time, we need to actually get to the cause.

Jeff:
We need to get people to a point where they are stable in their state, that their Gut’s right, their Nutrition’s right.

Matt:
I’m working on the Gut stuff before all of those formulas, it’s just easier to make a mover and a shaker than it is something that suits the population across the board to try to maintain health.

Jeff:
The cool thing is though, there is a mover and a shaker path to Gut product, Matt.  Because, if you take a single dose, man, I’m telling you, you’re moving and shaking to the toilet immediately, within about half an hour, and it cleans you out.  And, I’m telling you, it is not pretty to start with.  But, mind you, the longer I’ve stayed on it –

(laughing)

Matt:
But, your Guts are weird, so it depends.

Jeff:
And, mate, gas like no tomorrow.

Matt:
See, everyone’s different, I haven’t had that at all, I don’t get that.

Jeff:
That’s the interesting thing though, because my Gut Flora is going to be completely different to yours.  Anyway, as you said, Matt, this is linked to another couple of things we’re looking at, and I think we’ve got the complete cycle now, we’ve kind of got it nailed.

Matt and I were just saying before we came in, the future is so exciting because we have learnt so much, and Matt, you and Steve have so much knowledge, but we’re seeing the practical application now of the stuff that you’re learning.  All  of a sudden we had a bit of information which was one end of the bridge, and then we had another bit of information which was the middle of the bridge, and then we had something else down the road, and all of a sudden – and, there’s still a heck of a lot more to learn, but it’s all starting to come together now, and we’re really starting to understand how we’re going to be able to help a lot of people and that’s exciting.

We started off as a Sports Supplement company –

Matt:
If we had released it a couple of years ago, the scientific discoveries –

Jeff:
The validation wasn’t there?

Matt:
No, not even the validation.  The discoveries, we would have done the wrong thing.  Based on the science and the information we had five years ago we would have done the wrong thing.

[01:18:03]

They’ve recently proven that was the wrong thing to do, and a lot of people were already doing it, so we’re going to quickly change it.  She’ll be right.

Jeff:
So, coming back to Brett, really quickly, in terms of – are we sending him product or do you reckon it’s all the Propolis and the –

Matt:
Yeah, I don’t have anything for you, it’s all that other stuff.

Jeff:
We’ve got to send him a MULTI FOOD because everyone’s got to be on that.

Matt:
Yeah, send him a MULTI FOOD, everyone should be on that.  The AMP will actually help to break it down, so you could do the AMP, but it’s not that.  You’ve got to fix the Gut.

Jeff:
I’ll send him an AMP, but in terms of the Propolis and those things are they like a powder or a liquid or what?

Matt:
You can get Propolis in multiple different ways, usually it comes as a fluid extract.  The liquids are the better because you want to get it.

Jeff:
And, the Probiotics you’re recommending they’re obviously just a powder or a capsule?

Matt:
Well, even if they’re in a capsule you want to put them into a powder form because you need to swish them around your Tonsils and not wait for them to migrate back.

Jeff:
You want them to get into the Tonsils, yeah, do it direct.

Matt:
Yeah.  The same with the Arabinogalactans, and Arabinogalactans are nice, they’re just a sweet fibre, they’re slightly sweet.  So, you mix your Probiotics with them, gargle them around, throw it down.

Jeff:
So, Brett, until the Gut product comes out that’s probably all you can do at the moment.  So, I’m going to flick you out an AMP and a MULTI FOOD just to help you out.

Next one, Matt.

This one is from Keith –

            [01:19:24]

“Firstly guys, thank you for the wealth of information you’re sharing.  I have been involved with the Fitness Strength Industry for 26 years and I [01:19:31] [Inaudible] a bit about what you’re talking about.  It just confirms even more that there should be a base of understanding of what you talk about in our industry so we can help more quickly, but also know when it really is necessary to refer out to more specifically educated professionals like yourself.

My question is around two clients, a mum and a daughter, who both have Ankylosing Spondylitis, but the daughter actually has Fibromyalgia as well.  Now, this, in itself, is fairly common it seems, but the curved ball is that neither have the HLA-B27 Gene that causes AS.  The Fatigue is a big issue for both as is the Pain.  I have been listening to the Fibro Chronic Fatigue Podcast and I understand there might be some sort of crossover of the topics.  But, I was wondering if, around the AS and its symptoms and also the connection to Fibro, there might be science that you could offer as well as some interrelation to products you guys might have that would help too.  And, would you have any research you could recommend that could be taken to the doctor and specialists involved because you know they’re going to have big things to say about this, and that might help them to look laterally at the situation too.

A huge, huge thanks guys, please keep up the great work.  You have produced the most transparent amazing supplements I’ve ever come across in the 26 or years and I have almost never used anything outside of Whey, but now I’m listening so hard to define what I need for myself as I get older as I recover less – Ha Ha!

I appreciate your work, Keith.”

[01:21:00]

Jeff:
Matt, it’s a pity Steve’s not here because he did have Ankylosing Spondylitis.

Matt:
I know.  Yeah, Steve was the Ankylosing Spondylitis man, but they did find Steve had HLA-B27.

What is interesting is the HLA-B27 is a Genetic Imbalance that predisposes you to Autoimmunity and Inflammation, but the main driving force for the Immune Activation is Infections with such things as Klebsiella and Clostridium species.

So, what you want to do is get a Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis.  There is a thing called CDSA test, and I get mine done through Research Nutrition, and a five-day Parasitology added to that.  So, basically, test your poo and find out what bugs are in there that are keeping that Immune System in an Autoimmune profile.  If you wanted to go further you could do the OAT test and it would then tell you your Organic Acid Profile, and show the exact chemicals that are going through creating the Immune Dysregulation and find a double link.  They can show the bugs in the Bowels, then they can show the activation of the Immune Dysregulation and that will give enough of the technical information that your specialist would need to take it seriously.

Then, what you do is, you go on a campaign to kill off the Klebsiella and Clostridium and replace it with Anti-inflammatory Immune Modulating Probiotics such as Lactobacillus Plantarum 299V.

The other issue is this particular Immune issue creates an imbalance in the Inflammatory Cascade, which is where we use Omega 3 Fish Oils predominantly to control that.

So, the way we treat it is usually with Probiotics and Fish Oil and things like that, but if you’ve got an overgrowth of Klebsiella and Clostridia you need to get rid of them first, and if you don’t then you’re stuck.

The thing is, if they do a Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis, at the actual lab they will test to see what those bugs are sensitive to.  So, it will find them, say, “You’ve got them,” and then it will test Natural stuff and Pharmaceutical stuff and say, “Grapefruit Seed Extract kills it, Colloidal Silver kills it, Coconut Oil doesn’t, this Antibiotic does, these Antibiotics – your particular strain of bugs in your Bowel are resistant to these Antibiotics.”  That will come out in the report and when you give it to the doctor will say, “Hang on, the results here show that the Grapefruit Seed Extract is just as effective as my Antibiotic, what do you want to do?”  Then, often they’ll do that.

Jeff:
It depends on the doctor, Matt.

Matt:
Yeah, but sometimes it doesn’t matter, Jeff.  If these people have Ankylosing Spondylitis, if it’s my wife and my daughter with this sort of thing and I can see it’s a process that’s getting worse and worse for every month we’re not fixing it, there’s another month of degradation, I wouldn’t hesitate to say, “There is an Antibiotic that does kill this thing.  Just kill it.  Do it now, do it quickly, do it effectively, and replenish it with this.”

Jeff:
I understand that, and I agree with you too.  I’m not saying for a second that I wouldn’t use Western Medicine if there was no natural alternative, but what I am trying to say though, if there are two alternatives the doctors may go for the Western Medicine over the natural medicine.

[01:24:05]

Matt:
Do both anyway.  If they do give you the Antibiotics I’d still do the natural ones.  I mean seriously, if I have a test that shows Grapefruit Seed Extract kills it or Colloidal Silver kills it, and we know that it does, then I would use those, even if I did the Antibiotics as well.

Jeff:
I had an email that Elsa read out to me, and I only partially heard it while she was reading it out probably because I was busy doing something else, but just the close mindedness sometimes of the Western Medicine.  The cool thing is, there are some really awesome doctors out there who get it.  And, this is the big thing about going to your Healthcare Professional.  Find one that really is online with your ethos on life, and I appreciate for us, Matt, it’s a little bit different, I’m surrounded with you guys and we do have some great doctors who we go and see who get it, and they’ll look at things from a holistic point of view.  Obviously, they’re geared towards Western Medicine because they’ve studied it more, they understand it better, but they’re open to options.  So yeah, you just want people who are open to it.  If you can take literature, information, White Paper studies, that’s what you need to be able to take to a doctor who has an open mind to look at it.

Matt:
It’s language.  Basically, what it is, you need to speak to someone with a language they understand.  So, when you talk to a doctor and you use words like Liver Tonic, or Nerve Tonic or this Antimicrobial formula, they’re just like, “Oh my God, this person –

Jeff:
He’s a hippie.

Matt:
If you show a Paper and show exactly how the Antimicrobial works and on what mechanism, and show them how it’s similar to an Antibiotic, then they’re all cool with it.  That’s why my Naturopath Clinic was successful working in conjunction with Doctors and Pharmacists because I learnt their language.  You’ll see a Western Herbalist who will say, “Western Herbalism is good and Traditional Chinese is bad,” because they have different languages.  You’ve just got to understand when both people are talking the same language at least they can relate and have a proper discussion, and that’s what you need to do.  If you want to take control of your own health and work with your doctor you need to give them the language they need to hear.

Jeff:
And, there’s got to be that level of respect.  I can imagine, as you call it, the stupid question committee, but doctors must have it where the patient comes in not knowing anything and starts throwing out Google Key Word stuff that they’ve learnt on the internet.  So, I do have an understanding of that.

Matt:
For example; if your doctor tells you, “I want you to go on an Antidepressant,” and you go, “No, I’d rather use this Herb because it’s known as a good Nerving Tonic.”  Go and find out how that Herb works, if it’s a Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor, a Tricyclic Antidepressant style, if it’s a Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor, you find those little bits of information of how it works in the medical model and the doctor then understands how it will work and where it will fit in his model, and then they’re usually cool with it, man.

Jeff:
That is cool, Matt.  Well done.  Where were we at with Keith.

Matt:
It’s the same deal, he’s got to get the –

Jeff:
So, if he sends his clients off to get the test done first, the OAT Organic Test?

[01:26:59]

Matt:
Get the test done first, yeah, and find out what’s in there.  You could them AMP and you could give them MULTI FOOD, that’s no problem because it’s good, or you could give them the NOWAY, actually.  But, it doesn’t matter because you’ve got to find out if this Klebsiella, Clostridia are living in the Guts first.

Jeff:
What I’ll do is I’ll send out the MULTI FOOD, the AMP and the NOWAY, anyway just for support.  But they definitely go get the OAT test done.

Matt:
The NOWAY is for Keith, by the way, and he can give the other stuff to the wife and kids.

Jeff:
Okay.  We’ll do that.  And, just for Keith, he can come back with that information and we can go from there.

Let’s go with this one.

Matt:
Hell yeah.  I want to know.  I want to – no, I won’t say. (laughs)

This one is from Luke –

[01:27:45]

“HI guys, I’m really loving the high-quality information you’re providing through each Podcast.  I confess, I’m a rookie listener to the Podcast but already hooked, and have been listening as many times as I can in between your latest uploads.

I have two questions I hope you can help me with, or at least point me in the right direction.  First off, what are your recommendations for tricky Muscle imbalances such as Erector Spinae” – am I pronouncing that right?

Matt:
Yeah, they’re the strips up the side of your Spine, they make you stand up.

Jeff:
“My right Erector is significantly less developed than my left and has been that way for as long as I can remember.  Recently I have been trying to do more Olympic lifts but notice a lack of stability in my back, which is when I started doing twisting back extensions towards the right to try and activate the right Erector Spinae, about a week ago, which resulted in a lot of muscle soreness on the left side and it even hurts to take deep breaths.  I did see a doctor who told me it was only muscular soreness.

            The second question is, do you know how to get rid of, or reduce, a fatty deposit build-up?  Only three weeks ago I noticed a small lump on the inside of my arm in the groove between the bicep and triceps.  The doctor advised me the fatty deposit was there to stay unless I have it removed.  Surely there is another way.”

Jeff:
It’s interesting, Matt.  I’ve had one of those.  With the Erector Spinae, are you thinking PROTOYPE?

Matt:
Yeah.  There’s a sneaky way, if there’s something that won’t activate, during your warm up if you apply PROTOTYPE 8 just through that muscle belly –

Jeff:
Just on the one side, the weak side?

Matt:
Just on the weak side, the bit that is struggling to activate.  If you just put the PROTOTYPE 8 there as you warm up it will puff it up, it will engage it, through Nitric Oxide it will stimulate that activity, and if you do that as part of the warm up you can then train with one side pre-activated and it will help to create that balance.  Then, post workout I would butter up with PROTOTYPE again, and I’d also use CAPZEA post workout to see if we can start breaking down any Scar Tissue.  I’d do CAPZEA on both sides, but just keep using the PROTOTYPE on the side that’s failing to activate and underdevelop.

Jeff:
And then, maybe throw down some NOWAY as well, because the PROTOTYPE will help the Glucose uptake and also help stimulate the Receptor sites as well.  Again, it’ a great product to help get engaged.

[01:29:59]

Matt:
Then go and see someone about your Hips and your Feet, because the most common causes for that is something wrong with your Hips where they’re sitting out of whack with one leg pulled up shorter than the other one, or unless you’ve got Feet problems.  If you’ve got problems with your arches and that it can change the way your Hips sit and then your Erector Spinae compensate from there.  It’s a common cause of Frozen Shoulder.

Jeff:
Is that right?  Your Feet and your Hips, eh.

Matt:
Yeah, because the Erector Spinae with those big bands that run either side to help you stand up they pull just below your Shoulder Blades, that’s where they attach and then it refers up.

Jeff:
As the guys know, I’ve got the problem with my OP at the moment, Osteo pubis, and it is related to a number of things, flat Feet, which didn’t help, I had dislocated my left knee really badly so I had imbalances on my left quads and what have you, but the big thing was, I played tennis for years and years, so my right oblique is significantly stronger than my left.  So, these imbalances have led to an unusual gait when I run, which, combined with hard ground led to my problem.  I’m working now to unwind and to build symmetry into my body because of these things.

Matt:
I’ll tell an interesting thing, with your head being about 10% of your body weight, on average, or probably 20% –

Jeff:
I know, I’ve got a big Brain.

Matt:
What happens is, if your Hips and Feet are out of whack your Head would normally tip to the side, wouldn’t it, which means your centre of gravity would totally change, and you can’t have that, so what your body does it will use the Erector Spinae to change your Spine to bring your head back above your centre of gravity.  Wild eh?

Jeff:
We’re fascinating creatures, really.  It’s kind of fun.  But, once you understand it you know how to address it.

Okay, so what about those Fatty Cysts, Matt?

Matt:
They’re weird.  Angiolipomas, there are so many different theories around them.  Some believe their linked with Parasites, other people believe if you get those you’ve got issues with your ability to process Fats through the Liver where you accumulate certain Steric Acid compounds and not others.  It’s a real weird one, and once there I have no idea how to get rid of them.

Jeff:
Matt, I had one before I knew you, and the same thing, I didn’t know half of what I know now, and I looked at every way to try and dissolve this thing, and there was nothing, so I ended up getting it cut out.

Matt:
Did it come back?

Jeff:
No.  It never returned, I never had any problems.  It was minor surgery, they did it at the doctor’s clinic.  Again, while I would have much rather have found a natural way to dissolve it through the skin or find something that would work, I don’t know of anything personally.  But, if it is annoying you, again, go and get several opinions, search around, talk to some other people.

Matt:
I’ll look into it again, but off the top of my head I don’t know anything.  I did look at it a lot over the years, and there were some things that we tried but they didn’t bloody work.

Jeff:
Well, sorry we can’t help you on the second one, Luke.

Matt:
Butter up with PROTOTYPE 8 and CAPZEA.

Jeff:
And, we’ll send the NOWAY out to you as well.

Matt:
Yeah, why not.

Jeff:
Mattie, that’s all we’ve got time for today.

Matt:
Cool.

[01:33:02]

Jeff:
Good to have you back.

Matt:
Good to be back.

Jeff:
Steve will be back, hopefully, next week.

Matt:
Alright.  Do we have Sam coming next week?

Jeff:
Sam Patrick is coming on the show, who’s a bit of an expert.

Matt:
Health queen.

Jeff:
A good friend of yours.  She’s been on all the TV stations.

Matt:
We get to talk about self-loove!

Jeff:
What?  Do we?

Matt:
Yeah.  Well I am.

Jeff:
Well, you’re an expert, aren’t you?

Matt:
No, Sam is.

Jeff:
Is she?

Matt:
Yeah.

Jeff:
Are we talking about the same thing here or what?

Matt:
Yeah.

Jeff:
Really?

Matt:
Yeah.

Jeff:
Wow!  You won’t go blind.  She seemed to have pretty good eyesight.

Matt:
Ooh!

(laughing)

Jeff:
Anyway, Matt, we’ll be back next week with some self-loove!

Matt:
With Doctor Self-Loove.

Jeff:
Don’t say it like that, it’s creepy.

Matt:
No, people always say I’m handsome, because that’s only because I can’t get a twosome or a threesome.

Jeff:
I don’t get it.

Matt:
You will.

Jeff:
I don’t get it.

Matt:
You will, you will.

Jeff:
Oh, hands – okay.

Matt:
Well, if you can’t get a twosome or a threesome you’re left with a handsome.

Jeff:
Mmmm!  Well, on that high note, thanks Matt.  I thought we did reasonably well till then.

(laughing)

We’ll be back next week, guys, see you then.

Matt:
(laughs)

 

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